Sean MacDonald (left) with fellow Fulton Debating Society members (L-R): Harrison Kenner, Jenna Bilak, Naveen Senthilkumar and Kelvin Lin during their visit to MCI-Norfolk.
The five 涩里番下载 Fulton Debating Society members had emptied their pockets, put their valuables into secured lockers, passed through metal detectors, and entered what to senior Naveen Senthilkumar seemed like 鈥渁n air lock鈥� 鈥� a small chamber with another door in front of them.
鈥淎nd then the big metal door behind us clanked shut, and we couldn鈥檛 hear anything,鈥� recalled Senthilkumar.听
Up until then, the impending visit to the Massachusetts Correctional Institution at Norfolk had seemed like 鈥渏ust another debate鈥� to Senthilkumar and his Fulton teammates. But by the time the 涩里番下载 undergraduates, along with Director of Debate John Katsulas, entered this passageway, the fact that they were in a medium-security prison suddenly 鈥渟eemed very real,鈥� he said.
Yet within a matter of minutes, the 涩里番下载 visitors were in the prison auditorium and things seemed familiar again: At the front of the room was a podium and tables, one for the Fulton team and the other for their opponents that day 鈥� a team of MCI-Norfolk prisoners that had invited the students to come debate them, and now warmly greeted their guests. Just like any other debate.
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On that day, Dec. 3, the Fulton Debating Society would lose narrowly to the Norfolk Prison Debating Society on the question of whether the U.S. should impose a carbon tax on greenhouse gas emissions. But the outcome of the event went well beyond points for analysis, reasoning, rebuttal and other elements of debate. For the Norfolk prisoners, it represented the revival of a hallowed tradition that began in 1933, but also a much-needed intellectual and social activity.
The 涩里番下载 students, meanwhile, found themselves contemplating questions of crime, punishment and redemption, while gaining added appreciation for their extracurricular interest.
鈥淚 came away with a sense of debate as a great equalizer,鈥� said Sean MacDonald 鈥�17. 鈥淲e were in this place unlike any we鈥檇 ever been, and with people whose lives were very different than ours. But once you鈥檙e in a debate, all that matters is the rhetorical back-and-forth.鈥�
鈥淐ontestation doesn鈥檛 require a degree,鈥� said junior Harrison Kenner. 鈥淎nyone can participate in debate and find it rewarding 鈥� it鈥檚 a passionate, unique experience. I鈥檒l definitely remember this particular debate and speak highly of it in the future.鈥�
It began last summer with a hand-written note to Katsulas, an invitation from one of the inmates to the Fulton team to come debate at the prison. Katsulas, who as a college undergraduate had been part of a team that debated prisoners in MCI-Walpole, felt such an event would be mutually beneficial.
鈥淔or the prisoners, it鈥檚 an outlet to improve their communication skills,鈥� he said. 鈥淔or the students, this is definitely a window on a kind of life they had never seen and could never imagine.鈥�
The Norfolk debate program also had a distinguished pedigree. Over the three decades following its creation, the Norfolk Prison Debating Society competed on the academic circuit against students from Harvard, MIT, Princeton and even defeated Oxford University in 1959. The Norfolk team 鈥� among its members was Malcolm Little, later to be known as Malcolm X 鈥� compiled a 144-8 record by 1966. But such activities fell by the wayside as prisons adopted a more restrictive management philosophy.
MCI-Norfolk Director of Treatment Bruce Pires said the prison where he worked previously had established a popular debate program, and when he transferred to Norfolk two years ago he found a groundswell of support (including from inmates he鈥檇 known at his previous stop) for restarting the prison鈥檚 hallowed team.
鈥淔rom what I鈥檇 seen, debate was something from which everyone could learn 鈥� not just the team, but other prisoners and even prison officials,鈥� he said. 鈥淚 knew what it meant to the guys here, with all the tradition and history, so it just seemed like a good idea.鈥� 听
Once the debate program was revived, the Norfolk team wanted to test its mettle against outside competition, and found that Fulton most closely matched its favored style of debate. After receiving the invitation, Katsulas contacted the Fulton students and they agreed to accept.
鈥淚 came away with a sense of debate as a great equalizer. We were in this place unlike any we鈥檇 ever been, and with people whose lives were very different than ours. But once you鈥檙e in a debate, all that matters is the rhetorical back-and-forth.鈥濃�擲ean MacDonald 鈥�17
The Fulton team 鈥� which argued against the carbon tax 鈥� prepared for the visit to Norfolk much as it would any debate, but also received some important instructions: Wear casual attire (but no sneakers). If you鈥檙e female, dress modestly. Don鈥檛 take too much with you, since you鈥檒l have to store it. And don鈥檛 ask the prisoners about why they鈥檙e there.
As it turned out, the interaction with the inmates was brief and limited, but very hospitable. The Norfolk team presented Katsulas and the students with a signed poster commemorating the event, and thanked them warmly for coming.
鈥淭hey were very nice,鈥� said Senthilkumar. 鈥淭hey could have been our neighbors.鈥�
But the 涩里番下载 visitors were nonetheless impressed by the inmates鈥� preparation, especially given their limited access to information sources and reliance on family members and friends to supply them with research material.
Once the debate was in progress, it was apparent that the Norfolk team鈥檚 debate style differed from that of Fulton 鈥� 涩里番下载鈥檚 was policy-oriented, while Norfolk relied more on rhetoric and empathy with the audience, which consisted of other inmates as well as some prison officials (one Norfolk debater came to the podium wearing a surgical mask to underscore concerns about emissions).
鈥淭hey did an excellent job connecting with the crowd,鈥� said MacDonald. 鈥淭heir presentations created a visceral audience response, and that can mean a lot.鈥�
So after the result was announced 鈥� Norfolk over Fulton by a mere 0.6 points 鈥� the Fulton debaters were quick to congratulate their opponents.
鈥淲hen I shook hands with them, I asked if they were interested in having a debate next year,鈥� said Kenner.
But once back at 涩里番下载, the students had a different kind of debate, one that took place inside themselves: How to reconcile the intelligent, well-spoken, engaging men on the Norfolk team with the violent crimes for which they were imprisoned?
鈥淚 struggled with that,鈥� said Senthilkumar, who added that the experience had given him a new insight into the need for policies for criminal reform. 鈥淚 thought, 鈥榃hat they did shouldn鈥檛 change my impression,鈥� but it was hard to accept that. Hopefully, there is a chance to redeem themselves, and so programs like debate are very valuable because they encourage inmates to use their intellectual and interactive skills.鈥�
鈥淪ome of them had committed these unforgivable crimes when they were young, many years ago,鈥� said Jenna Bilak 鈥�19. 鈥淎re they that same person now? It鈥檚 hard to say, of course 鈥� I only got to know them as my opponents.鈥�
鈥淲hatever their crimes, they are people in the end,鈥� said sophomore Kelvin Lin. 鈥淭heir crimes don鈥檛 detract from that.鈥�
Katsulas and the students hope there could be a regular 鈥� maybe an annual 鈥� Norfolk-Fulton debate. They also would like to assist the inmates with their research, perhaps even serve as volunteer judges at their debates.
Pires said he also hopes for a continuing relationship between the two teams 鈥� and that he understands the students鈥� conflicting emotions.
鈥淭he reality is that all the men here were still convicted of crimes, and one-third of them are in here for the rest of their lives,鈥� he said. 鈥淪ome, however, will be back out in the community. The guys who are involved in the debate program are exceptionally smart, they study very hard and apply themselves. It鈥檚 something they don鈥檛 take for granted.
鈥淭hat can be a big revelation for students: They see how these men are making the most of every moment, and perhaps this encourages them to take their education more seriously.鈥�
鈥擲ean Smith / University Communications